1 00:00:04,319 --> 00:00:08,680 If Free Palmers enters into a relationship, then she wants exclusivity. 2 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:13,600 Attacking the child can be revenge are on Mr. De Munk. As Mrs 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,720 Can't get Palmer's rose, then he can neither. That incision in the throat of 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,860 Roosje, is that correct? surgical precision is created? 5 00:00:23,540 --> 00:00:26,600 I went in, I got that one saw the movie and walked back 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,419 home. 7 00:00:27,420 --> 00:00:28,700 No, no, he was gone. 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,420 I'm going to argue for a DNA test. 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,480 If it turns out that Brecht is Stefan has cheated, then he has a 10 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:40,760 motif. At our work there is... Is there is a Brazilian illegal one 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,759 statement fallen? 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,500 My brother and I towed it. 13 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:45,260 Do you know what that is? 14 00:00:45,540 --> 00:00:47,860 To bring someone else's death upon you to have known. 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,080 CLB simply said it is the best that we test Juliette for autism. 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,260 Mom says that's why we're twelfth. 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,200 Management called the Berlin's son. They're going all in on him there 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,380 take over love. 19 00:01:07,980 --> 00:01:09,560 I just don't want to see you for a while. 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,340 You have your hotel room. 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,420 Hotel Noel? 22 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:20,200 Do they have a girl... No! 23 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:21,920 Did they sleep a girl? 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,740 Free Palmers was at a family party. 25 00:01:25,050 --> 00:01:30,650 You contradict 30 witnesses by saying stating that her alibi is incorrect. It 26 00:01:30,650 --> 00:01:35,070 it all started with a gendarme Bucklers. He stated that a 27 00:01:35,070 --> 00:01:38,450 woman's voice had lured him away from his post on January 1st. 28 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:43,200 There is one in Brechtje's room crawl space. Between the planks in the 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,720 we have dried blood in the attic found that we were able to match 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,120 at the van Brechtje. How could Mrs Palmers already talking about an ex-god then? 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,740 Her body had not yet been found. 32 00:01:52,940 --> 00:01:57,380 It may indicate that Mrs. Palmers culprit guilty. Brechtje wore jewelry 33 00:01:57,380 --> 00:02:02,760 when her body was examined? Also not this amour necklace? 34 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:05,340 No. That wasn't what the argument was about. 35 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:09,210 Brechtje said she wanted to go living together with her love. 36 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:11,070 So Stefan. 37 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:16,090 Why would Free share those wedding videos and tape a threatening video about it? 38 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:17,150 Come on. 39 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:26,670 Oh fuck. 40 00:02:27,550 --> 00:02:28,550 Fuck. 41 00:02:28,730 --> 00:02:30,190 Oh fuck. Ah, 42 00:02:31,470 --> 00:02:32,570 Do you think that's normal now? 43 00:02:33,010 --> 00:02:35,730 That you were chosen by dozens. I Say, I would do it. 44 00:02:48,230 --> 00:02:50,010 Okay, ready? 45 00:02:58,610 --> 00:02:59,610 Dad? 46 00:03:01,910 --> 00:03:06,620 If you see this... I have to go to it country. What's up daddy? 47 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,160 Delfin? Delfin? 48 00:06:05,710 --> 00:06:09,970 In the process of Free Palmers for the Ghent-Head of Assise are all witnesses 49 00:06:09,970 --> 00:06:11,910 heard and the arguments are over. 50 00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:17,650 Judging tomorrow on the last day of the trial the twelve jury members. The Public 51 00:06:17,650 --> 00:06:21,770 Ministry demands a life sentence prison sentence. In her closing argument 52 00:06:21,770 --> 00:06:27,110 the prosecutor emphasized this again Free Palmers is the only one with a motive 53 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:28,110 for both murders. 54 00:06:28,450 --> 00:06:31,340 Palmers also had... None conclusive alibi. 55 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:35,280 It also came up during the process light that she would expose the perpetrator 56 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:37,660 have in the Brechtje Vind de case Bird. 57 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,140 The jury now has the difficult task of deciding yes or answer no to the two 58 00:06:43,140 --> 00:06:44,140 guilt questions. 59 00:07:10,250 --> 00:07:11,250 Free. 60 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,200 Stefan. Mark. 61 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,180 I know you wanted answers during this process. 62 00:07:54,620 --> 00:07:56,120 But I can't give it. 63 00:07:58,340 --> 00:08:01,800 It would be easier if there was one explanations exist, but I don't have them. 64 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:10,960 I checked with my lawyer in advance discussed how I felt during this process 65 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,280 could best behave. 66 00:08:15,140 --> 00:08:17,340 As much in the background as possible stay. 67 00:08:18,620 --> 00:08:20,040 So she could do his job. 68 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,160 I had a really hard time with that. 69 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:30,080 Every time someone comes to me calls my daughter's murderer, 70 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,340 then he can. 71 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:40,240 I will keep fighting to prove that I didn't do anything to my child. 72 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,860 I miss her so much. 73 00:08:56,270 --> 00:08:57,530 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. 74 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:02,510 You will have to answer the next two questions. 75 00:09:04,590 --> 00:09:07,430 Is the accused present here? 76 00:09:08,430 --> 00:09:12,770 To be sentenced on January 1st 2000. 77 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:17,550 Intentionally. With the aim of kill. 78 00:09:18,310 --> 00:09:20,210 And with premeditation. 79 00:09:21,070 --> 00:09:22,650 Brecht found bird. 80 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:28,860 born in Waarghem on October 21, 1980 to have killed. 81 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:30,720 Two. 82 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:38,580 Is the accused present here? to be guilty of 83 00:09:38,580 --> 00:09:45,520 on December 26, 2016 deliberately with it purpose 84 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,620 to kill and with premeditation Roos de Munk. 85 00:09:51,170 --> 00:09:56,870 born in Ghent on December 1, 2014, to have killed. 86 00:10:00,490 --> 00:10:04,870 The Court will be present during the jury prepared to keep the debates on track 87 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:05,829 to lead. 88 00:10:05,830 --> 00:10:09,590 The hearing is adjourned until the jury a judgment has been reached. 89 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,580 We should actually agree unanimously be? 90 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,480 No, a majority is needed. 91 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,760 So there must be twelve jurors say at least eight guilty. Different 92 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,340 Mrs. Palmer is acquitted. 93 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,020 A 6-6 vote is an acquittal. 94 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,420 At 7-5, that's a questionable one majority, then me and my two vote 95 00:10:50,420 --> 00:10:51,420 colleagues anyway. 96 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:56,260 Mr. Marinus, would you like to join us? 97 00:11:00,590 --> 00:11:02,890 What's that actually like? procedural errors? 98 00:11:05,510 --> 00:11:06,510 Procedural errors, what do you mean? 99 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:10,650 You said it at the beginning of it process that we are not allowed to share with the press 100 00:11:10,650 --> 00:11:13,390 talk? Counts something like one procedural error? 101 00:11:14,130 --> 00:11:16,430 Talking to the press can lead to something like that lead, yes. 102 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:19,130 But that will be decided by cassation about? 103 00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:22,690 Have you been approached by the press? 104 00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:24,090 Not necessarily. 105 00:11:25,570 --> 00:11:26,570 What do you mean? 106 00:11:27,250 --> 00:11:29,050 Suppose I have been approached. 107 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,380 Which I then replace with the first deputy? Yes. 108 00:11:39,980 --> 00:11:40,980 Look, Dad. 109 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:47,300 Dad is with the police for a while. 110 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:52,560 They're going to help him calm down a bit to become. 111 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,200 The police? 112 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,100 No, that's Noël. That's a friend of me. 113 00:12:05,460 --> 00:12:07,560 You're going to be able to visit him tonight sleep. 114 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:11,140 That is his whole love. 115 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,480 Okay. 116 00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:17,640 Mom has to go with the police to the hospital. 117 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:38,020 Hey, how was it? 118 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,480 She was okay with the kids. She sleeps. 119 00:13:31,630 --> 00:13:32,389 Hey, Taffy. 120 00:13:32,390 --> 00:13:33,390 Then come out. 121 00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:38,730 I don't know what to do anymore, tho. 122 00:13:40,990 --> 00:13:42,410 We told them at the hospital. 123 00:13:49,410 --> 00:13:50,550 That I was lucky. 124 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:54,990 If she had used more force, yes. 125 00:13:56,250 --> 00:13:57,990 Come on, we don't want to talk about you think. 126 00:14:06,579 --> 00:14:09,380 Hey, you can stay here with the kids wanted for a long time. 127 00:14:14,740 --> 00:14:15,740 Thank you. 128 00:14:18,780 --> 00:14:23,900 Yeah, I was thinking that way. You can in it lying in sick bed. I'll go on my own 129 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:24,900 sleeping mat. 130 00:14:26,140 --> 00:14:27,140 On the ground? 131 00:14:27,540 --> 00:14:29,340 Yes, I fall asleep in everything. 132 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,380 But you can go there straight away, right? 133 00:14:46,410 --> 00:14:47,690 You know what's funny now? 134 00:14:49,250 --> 00:14:50,250 No. 135 00:14:52,630 --> 00:14:55,530 I made it so difficult that I... was on that jury. 136 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:58,870 Now I'm not even allowed to vote. 137 00:15:07,630 --> 00:15:09,830 Ma'am, you can come with me for a moment. 138 00:15:24,940 --> 00:15:26,480 Okay, so we'll start again. 139 00:15:27,700 --> 00:15:30,760 Sorry, what happens to Noël now? 140 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,300 The Public Prosecution Service will investigate or Mr Marinus Alda not one 141 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:38,640 committed a criminal offense by to talk to the press. 142 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,120 Are there still people who care about something? before we start? 143 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,260 Well, then I suggest that the jury now first discusses the first question. 144 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:54,080 This concerns the murder of Brechtje Finding bird. 145 00:16:02,650 --> 00:16:06,370 Well, I think there is serious evidence charge is against Free Palmers. 146 00:16:07,330 --> 00:16:09,850 She has the firing pin with her grandparents found. 147 00:16:10,090 --> 00:16:14,310 Her alibi isn't watertight and she was jealous that Brechtje was in a couple with 148 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:15,310 Stefan. 149 00:16:15,930 --> 00:16:19,150 So Free did it out of jealousy? 150 00:16:19,790 --> 00:16:21,210 Brechtje murdered? Yes. 151 00:16:22,030 --> 00:16:26,170 I don't know, but I... Yeah, I think that that is possible. 152 00:16:28,370 --> 00:16:29,690 Yeah, I see her doing that too. 153 00:16:30,730 --> 00:16:32,850 I really like everything about their bees guilty. 154 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:37,570 Well, that allusion is anyway obvious. Yes, that's true. 155 00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:40,890 Guilty too, I think. 156 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:43,790 Come on, come on. 157 00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:48,330 Everyone believes in just any version of the police. Kale May. 158 00:16:48,590 --> 00:16:49,950 Did anyone say that? 159 00:16:50,770 --> 00:16:52,770 I actually agree with Arnold. 160 00:16:53,510 --> 00:16:56,470 I think it's important that we... carefully weigh the pros and cons. 161 00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:59,850 The firing pin they found in the home of Free's grandparents... 162 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:04,119 it does not measure 100% with the walk by Brechtje or with those of the hands. 163 00:17:04,859 --> 00:17:09,560 That's because that firing pin was years ago has been used. That's because of the wear and tear. 164 00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:11,440 That doesn't prove anything. 165 00:17:13,460 --> 00:17:16,640 Okay, but Arnold, you shouldn't do that either interpret as far as it goes. 166 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,000 It was almost 100% certainly the same firing pin. 167 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:23,500 What else have you written down? 168 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,720 January 1, 2000. 169 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:29,580 That phone call to ex-watchman Bucklers. 170 00:17:29,980 --> 00:17:30,980 That was a woman's voice. 171 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,620 It could also be Brechtje's voice been. 172 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,540 And why would she have done that? 173 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,420 Maybe because she wanted someone smuggling in or something? 174 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:45,720 Her lover, that professor? 175 00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:51,560 Okay, suppose Brechtje called. 176 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:53,580 What does that want to be? 177 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,540 That the defense is right. 178 00:17:57,060 --> 00:17:59,660 That he is in a threatening video put. 179 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:02,140 Can I watch that video now? 180 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:04,700 Naturally. 181 00:18:33,550 --> 00:18:35,550 whether you think that is realistic. – Oh, come on. 182 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:38,710 The girl isn't a banner after all. But yes, that's how it is. 183 00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:42,090 Yeah, I really don't agree with that either. Brechtje hated her father. 184 00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:46,250 That man didn't do anything about Brechtjes to help mother with that cancer. Yes, that 185 00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,130 I understand. But would she do something like that? 186 00:18:48,550 --> 00:18:53,370 But I think the bird has given in that he had an argument just before the disappearance 187 00:18:53,370 --> 00:18:56,790 had with his daughter. So maybe they just wanted to get him back. 188 00:18:57,130 --> 00:19:02,690 That video wasn't even deployed. She would otherwise never even such a high dose 189 00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:03,690 Have you taken Valium? 190 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:05,970 Who gave that then? 191 00:19:06,290 --> 00:19:10,750 Free? That Valium was in the bathroom. Yes, sure. 192 00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:15,810 She has that Valium death kiss against her told her. Brechtje dies without it 193 00:19:15,810 --> 00:19:17,490 lessons. Zever. 194 00:19:17,770 --> 00:19:20,910 Stefan can also give that Valium have. Or that professor. 195 00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:24,770 I certainly see that professor one easier 55 kilo corpse 196 00:19:24,770 --> 00:19:26,190 then drag Free Palmers. 197 00:19:27,050 --> 00:19:28,250 And that Stefan too. 198 00:19:29,650 --> 00:19:32,950 He may have the biggest motif. He knew that Brechtje was pregnant 199 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:33,950 was from that prof. 200 00:19:35,490 --> 00:19:38,350 Now suppose that Brechtje is the gendarme has lured away. 201 00:19:38,730 --> 00:19:42,790 And that Brechtje and Stefan together recorded a threatening video. 202 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:47,650 Then Stefan could have killed her too. That's possible, right? 203 00:19:49,210 --> 00:19:53,570 I'm telling you. That Inspector Pasquale, how do they know, he wanted to get Free. That one 204 00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:55,310 wanted to make a career on the back of Free. 205 00:19:56,170 --> 00:19:59,950 The way she got that DNA came. Those gloves suddenly 206 00:19:59,950 --> 00:20:02,450 disappear. I do have confidence in the police. 207 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:04,530 Dear Vera, come, whatever. 208 00:20:05,810 --> 00:20:08,630 Sorry, but there's just too much wrong not. 209 00:20:10,570 --> 00:20:14,090 We must condemn Free above all reasonable doubt. 210 00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:17,310 There are too many doubts, right? 211 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:51,830 Imagine you are on one family party. 212 00:20:52,530 --> 00:20:56,010 You're outside all afternoon playing with your nephews, your nieces. 213 00:20:56,470 --> 00:21:01,250 And 18 years later they come and tell you that they suspect you of murdering you 214 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:02,129 best friend. 215 00:21:02,130 --> 00:21:03,130 And why? 216 00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:05,630 Because you're not in that video. 217 00:21:10,690 --> 00:21:12,590 No one saw her from the party leave. 218 00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:16,420 No one saw her with a firing pin cycling around. No one has her with one 219 00:21:16,420 --> 00:21:19,420 seen carrying a corpse. There are none witnesses. 220 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:20,840 No. 221 00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:47,060 What about that knowledge of the perpetrator? 222 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,100 They were talking about a neck spot that still before Brechtje's body 223 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:54,720 found. Only the perpetrator could do something like that know. 224 00:21:55,020 --> 00:22:00,000 And the dogs are not in the neck, but finished in the head. Yes, maybe it has 225 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,800 they simply misspoke. I misspoke me every day. 226 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,540 Is that a crucial question? 227 00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:07,580 Was that knowledge of the perpetrator a slip of the tongue or not? 228 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,060 Yes. But he doesn't... 229 00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:14,530 Don't judge someone based on that of an accidental slip of the tongue? If it 230 00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:17,070 is perpetrator knowledge, it is not accidental slip of the tongue. 231 00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:20,890 And she has a monster with it talk? Nobody knows when that will be 232 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:21,990 shot in the neck was given. 233 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:26,750 Even the medical examiner can't say anything or when. There is plenty of evidence that it is 234 00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:28,890 body of Brechtje in that crawling attic has been. 235 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:34,630 Free means staying the night on January 1st. Is that time enough to do that at night? 236 00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:37,570 to drag the body and place it in the slates going to dump? 237 00:22:38,179 --> 00:22:42,640 That disappearance at that family party, the perpetrator knowledge, that female voice at the 238 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,260 phone. That makes Free very guilty. I think so too. 239 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:48,880 Yes, I think so too. 240 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:53,900 Don't know. 241 00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:02,640 I'm ready to vote, actually. 242 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Me, too. 243 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:05,700 Me, too. 244 00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:07,900 Is everyone ready to vote? 245 00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:10,740 Yes, we vote. 246 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:18,100 So the question is, is the accused present here, 247 00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:23,840 guilty of, to be sentenced on January 1 set up in 2000 248 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,260 with doing it unnoticed and with it to go unnoticed? 249 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:30,340 Brechtje thinks it's good. 250 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,220 Are we going to eat something in town? 251 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:01,300 I'll stay here for a while. 252 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Yes, that's good. 253 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:07,880 I can't go eat something now. That works not. 254 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,020 Imagine if there might be one handsome waiter would be walking around, then you would 255 00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:20,660 indeed not be back in time for that the judgment. 256 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,900 It's not a nice comment, is it? Margot? Mom. 257 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:26,860 Will you keep her outside for a while? 258 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,160 Will you try that woman from the cinema? to decorate? 259 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,840 I will be kind to that have been, yes. 260 00:24:49,740 --> 00:24:52,260 Are you going to take Free's side now, or what? is it? 261 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,760 Leave me alone. 262 00:24:56,780 --> 00:24:57,780 Both. 263 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,820 All those fucking lies. 264 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:08,760 I don't know if you're that holy. 265 00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:20,440 Can you leave yourself alone for a moment, Mom? 266 00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:44,080 Free didn't try to recruit me fall for that school quiz. 267 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,720 I asked mom if she could give me that stroke wanted to throw it in my face. 268 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,600 What? 269 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,820 I just wanted to make sure you wouldn't go back to Free. 270 00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:17,110 Gee, but hey... If something like this comes out, then... 271 00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:19,410 Ben 272 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:25,470 have you always been honest? 273 00:26:29,410 --> 00:26:30,510 Jesus. 274 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:39,170 Guilty. 275 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,560 Innocent. 276 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Guilty. 277 00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:53,220 Seven-five. 278 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,880 Seven-five is a questionable one majority. 279 00:26:57,380 --> 00:27:02,340 In this case the procedure wants it Court has to vote on the decision. 280 00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:37,930 The Court agrees with the majority. 281 00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:44,610 The answer to the question of Frie Palmers murdered Brechtje Vindevogel 282 00:27:44,610 --> 00:27:45,610 so yeah. 283 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:49,770 Mr. Corniel, the notes are allowed be destroyed. 284 00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:51,010 Yes. 285 00:27:54,670 --> 00:27:55,670 Good. 286 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:04,860 Then we move on to the second question. 287 00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:06,740 I don't want to answer anything on that second question. 288 00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:09,980 Have they condemned it yet? 289 00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:12,740 Roos may have another perpetrator then Brechtje? 290 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,120 You have to judge that. 291 00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:20,320 We will determine the penalty later. 292 00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:25,340 Who of you thinks there are two? are murderers? 293 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,120 I won't say anything anymore. 294 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,200 You know my opinion. 295 00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:32,320 I think there is only one perpetrator. 296 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,200 Me, too. 297 00:28:34,420 --> 00:28:36,020 I think there is only one perpetrator. 298 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:38,860 I don't know that. 299 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:48,040 There is exact information about Brechtje's murder I thought about it for a long time, while... About that one 300 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,360 murder of Roos not at all. 301 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,659 What is that? 302 00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:53,880 It would also be super naive of her to attacking her own daughter while 303 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,680 she knows she is then suspect number one becomes. 304 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,380 That makes her stupid. 305 00:28:58,020 --> 00:28:59,540 That also makes her dangerous. 306 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,460 He wanted Rose all to himself have. 307 00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:03,750 You see that, right? 308 00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:05,630 – Free Palmers is the black sheep. 309 00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:09,190 The police framed her and she want to get her. Or maybe he is 310 00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:10,190 really sick. 311 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:13,190 Not everything Free does is thought through. 312 00:29:13,870 --> 00:29:16,070 She is a narcissistic borderline. 313 00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:20,190 She wants exclusivity in her relationship with Rose, with Stefan. 314 00:29:20,650 --> 00:29:22,370 And if she doesn't get that, she freaks out. 315 00:29:22,650 --> 00:29:26,630 That woman is crazy. That's one now a bit simplistic, isn't it? 316 00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:27,850 Kurt? It's deviation. 317 00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:31,070 I can't imagine them doing something like that does. 318 00:29:32,910 --> 00:29:34,190 I can imagine that. 319 00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:40,130 I just want to say that people can freaking out. 320 00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:42,810 Yes, but this is a bit more than freaking out. 321 00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:46,770 Soon it was said all the time that they is incredibly well thought out. Now becomes 322 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:49,030 said that she has borderline and that she is impulsive. 323 00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:52,110 Someone wants us to believe that woman did it. 324 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:58,090 That doesn't make any sense. Look, I can be like mother couldn't imagine me doing that 325 00:29:58,090 --> 00:30:03,660 do. But those hesitation cuts, those fingerprints on that window, those 326 00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:07,600 maniacal letters and then that one street scenes 200 meters from the house 327 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,940 from Stefan and Margot. Come on, those are prove, right? 328 00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:12,560 I didn't believe in Stefan. 329 00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:15,720 Okay, but Stefan might have had one alibi. 330 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,160 He was in the cinema. 331 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:19,040 You can walk away from the cinema. 332 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:25,570 Come on, why would Stefan or Margot? or a Lutgaard... Why would he do something like that 333 00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:27,970 do? Why would they attack Roos? 334 00:30:28,170 --> 00:30:29,670 They already had the right. 335 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:31,930 Maybe their backs were turned the wall. 336 00:30:32,610 --> 00:30:35,750 They didn't get much help from either the cops in connection with that stalking 337 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:36,750 from Free. 338 00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:39,030 Stefan is a doctor. 339 00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:42,550 She can perfectly fit Roos in her neck have cut. 340 00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:47,070 That Stefano has common sense, that you see. 341 00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:51,430 No one would ever want that terrorize. That Free is, that's it 342 00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:52,430 difference. 343 00:30:55,530 --> 00:30:56,990 I don't know either. 344 00:31:52,179 --> 00:31:55,280 Look, we've done everything ten times now overflow. 345 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:05,220 And we keep talking about the murder of Rose, but... Yeah, actually she's not 346 00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:06,220 murdered, huh. 347 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:11,380 Right? Roos died of a hospital bacteria. 348 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:15,240 The person who attacked her didn't want to kill her. 349 00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:17,150 Those hesitation cuts prove that. 350 00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:20,890 The Public Prosecution Service has explained that it is a fatal cut. 351 00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:22,970 That Roos will bleed to death. 352 00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:25,310 That's why they say it's murder. 353 00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:31,890 I know, but... It is super specific in that child's muscle 354 00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:33,470 cut without wanting to kill. 355 00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:36,170 Yes, but with premeditation. 356 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:39,090 Yes, premeditated, but none murder. 357 00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:44,630 What is the point of that second question? not about attempted murder? 358 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,260 These are the mandatory questions which takes the case to the Court of Assizes 359 00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:49,259 has been referred. 360 00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:50,720 I can't change that. 361 00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:57,740 But if a juror doesn't do it on purpose finds or with premeditation 362 00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:02,340 or with the hallmark of killing, then should he answer no to that question? 363 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,180 Good. Then I know what I have to do answers. 364 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,240 Allee, Holly. 365 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,920 Otherwise the child would have bled to death. 366 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,080 Yes, but... 367 00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:19,190 There was no intention to kill, that is isn't it clear? Yes, but does she have it? 368 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:20,410 did she or didn't she do it? 369 00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:25,770 Maybe, but... Sorry, but one like that question, it doesn't even matter 370 00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:26,770 me. 371 00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:35,950 If you do something like that, you have to 372 00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:36,950 be punished? 373 00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:44,730 Jury... The person who did that, Roos really liked that. 374 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,860 I think he has been punished enough already. 375 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:51,780 I actually think this is a non-discussion. 376 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,520 A non-discussion, yes. 377 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,960 Yes. 378 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,700 That's someone who goes all his life walking around with the death of Roos on his mind 379 00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:04,640 conscience. Look, we're here to determine whether Free did it or 380 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,220 not. It's not a moral discussion or so. 381 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:14,820 I'm not going to judge anyone who already has been punished enough. 382 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,920 So even though Free has her own child mixed, you still want her 383 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,540 exonerate because she does not have her child wanted to kill deliberately? 384 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,080 Yes. I follow Holly in her reasoning. 385 00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:29,260 Oh yes? 386 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,020 And if that within a few years gets released? 387 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,739 And he does the same with that child Stéphane and Margot? 388 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,820 These are matters that we as a jury are aware of should be aware of. Yes, I think so 389 00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:42,820 Yuri is right. 390 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,020 You know a placated one, yes? 391 00:34:46,799 --> 00:34:49,940 Congratulations. You'll all be leaving soon happy to go home with the idea that you have the 392 00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:51,000 caught the culprit. 393 00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:53,940 You are the ones to blame here. 394 00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:58,580 I hope you never face a jury must appear as we do. 395 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,180 I wouldn't have much of a problem with that have, you know, Arnold. 396 00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:09,500 Shall we vote differently? 397 00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:13,660 Yes. 398 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,500 If everyone agrees. 399 00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:27,980 Is it time? 400 00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:59,300 The Court of Assise of the province East Flanders, sitting in 401 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,400 Ghent, has the following judgment pronounced. 402 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,600 All parties involved have theirs arguments put forward here. 403 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,960 The accused has the final say had. 404 00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:18,040 The jury ruled as follows: answered the questions by the 405 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,040 appointed chairman. 406 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:21,220 To question 1. 407 00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:29,470 Is the accused present here? guilty on January 1, 2000 408 00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:36,250 deliberately with intent to kill and with premeditation 409 00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:42,030 Brechtje Vindevogel, born in Waregem on October 21, 1980, 410 00:36:42,610 --> 00:36:44,090 to have killed? 411 00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:48,650 The answer to question 1 is yes. 412 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:07,200 On question 2, the accused is here present guilty of 413 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:14,120 to be held on December 26, 2016 deliberately with 414 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,800 the intent to kill and with premeditations. 415 00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:24,740 Roos de Munk, born in Ghent on 1 December 2014, 416 00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:26,960 to have killed. 417 00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:34,840 The answer to question two is no. 418 00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:49,660 Mrs Palmers, would you please go to the right? stand, please? 419 00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:58,000 The Jury and the Court. 420 00:37:58,670 --> 00:38:03,070 have found you guilty of it most serious crime in our society 421 00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:04,070 knows. 422 00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:11,670 You have your best friend's life Brechtje was taken at an extreme 423 00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:13,830 violent and cunning manner. 424 00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:16,930 That is crude and gruesome. 425 00:38:18,610 --> 00:38:22,090 The jury and the Court will still deliberate on the penalty. 426 00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:24,610 The hearing is adjourned. 427 00:38:25,230 --> 00:38:27,170 The accused may be led away. 428 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,120 I took my child away. 429 00:39:17,890 --> 00:39:19,890 Son of a bitch, they had to put you in a jail sting. 430 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:54,750 Fuck, it's super intense. 431 00:40:02,010 --> 00:40:03,010 Are you lost on me? 432 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:05,930 I'm not lost on you. 433 00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:18,230 That Brazilian shouldn't have died then she had a different point of view 434 00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:19,230 taken against? 435 00:40:28,810 --> 00:40:29,810 So have a list. 436 00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:31,390 I'm going to give that to you. 437 00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:33,110 Yes. 438 00:40:36,850 --> 00:40:39,010 And my brother? My brother has you seen. 439 00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:42,610 He lay in his bed that evening. I was there alone. 440 00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:48,970 Come along. 441 00:40:54,430 --> 00:40:55,430 Baby. 442 00:40:59,310 --> 00:41:00,390 Dad loves to see you. 443 00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:05,030 I love you a hundred times more, Victor. 444 00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:10,070 Mom, have one more moment, please. 445 00:41:49,930 --> 00:41:50,930 Have seen them. 446 00:41:56,650 --> 00:41:58,210 First they take my child away. 447 00:41:59,770 --> 00:42:02,490 And now they're turning me on for thirty years bake in. 448 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:06,930 We are going to start a procedure for this cassation. 449 00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:11,230 Someone from the jury leaked to the pers. 450 00:42:11,590 --> 00:42:12,590 Yes. 451 00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:18,170 And then be convicted again for my own child. 452 00:42:21,070 --> 00:42:22,490 You don't have to decide that now. 453 00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:31,410 You promised me that you were alone could be convicted by real conviction 454 00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:32,410 prove. 455 00:42:33,450 --> 00:42:36,670 Because I'm not on the fucking for three hours home video sta. 456 00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:38,390 I know. 457 00:42:40,510 --> 00:42:41,510 I know. 458 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:46,650 I want to get out of here. 459 00:42:47,230 --> 00:42:48,230 I want to leave. 460 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,420 I'll give you another one after the weekend bring. 461 00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:11,680 Would you like to bring Roosje's book? 462 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,100 Here, in the photo. 463 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,340 In the end we did get something we wanted. 464 00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:52,120 Only mom... Everyone thinks we are they were. 465 00:43:54,460 --> 00:43:56,640 Come on, let's have a drink. 466 00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:39,170 I'm going to call the police. 467 00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:47,870 Sorry, 468 00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:49,390 sorry. 469 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,320 What did you actually have in that one? cinema? 470 00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:25,740 What? 471 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,260 You've come straight home here came. 472 00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:36,580 You should have been home half an hour earlier are. 473 00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:41,700 What do you mean? 474 00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,400 Your story is wrong, Stefan. 475 00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:49,200 I told you everything. 476 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,440 That question is wrong. 477 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,020 – I counted everything. 478 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,400 Where are your black gloves actually? 479 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,520 I searched our entire house. I could can't find them anywhere anymore. 480 00:46:18,350 --> 00:46:19,350 What is this then? 481 00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:24,690 I don't think I owe my daughter anything would do. 482 00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:03,130 They said it wasn't good. 483 00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:06,690 Now you know it's not good. 484 00:47:25,870 --> 00:47:30,930 It was good, she said. 485 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,040 Thank you. 486 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,240 Should I turn off a song? 487 00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:15,460 It's not the worst yet. It is not yet to the wuppe 488 00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:19,640 Things aren't going well yet just one word 489 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,000 Just what we do 490 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:34,960 do 491 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,400 were. Just what we're doing were. Just take your word for it. 492 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:46,400 Parties are happening more frequently. 493 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,180 Then it is red. 494 00:53:49,540 --> 00:53:52,340 There is still less sketching. 495 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:59,860 Then there's the wedding, it's quite something not after the seesaw. It's not over yet 496 00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:05,020 the seesaw. It's not even after wippe. Carry on. 497 00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:12,920 It's all he wanted to do whatever he wanted to do. It is 498 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:19,580 not even after the wippe. It still is not after the seesaw. It's not over yet 499 00:54:19,580 --> 00:54:21,960 the seesaw. Carry on.